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of embassy attacks back in 1998? we will have the details. >>> mitt romney finally gets a chance to head over to the white house. we will have the details of his upcoming lunch with the president. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using >>> welcome back to "the ed show." one good thing is coming out of the fiscal cliff mess, the demise of grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. he is a conservative industry in washington. he has managed to intimidate people with a certain degree of power but it is starting to unravel. former senator, alan simpson, may be wrong on many things but he has nailed grover norquist. >> he was gathering up those signatures back in the '80s and early '90s when inflation was zip, when unemployment was zip and anybody who would sign anything before they come to congress and hear the debate and participate in it hopefully. why would you do that? it is like selling your soul. let me tell you. he is becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up, because good people of good faith have decided instead of being republicans or d
proposal and it includes some of the same ideas that sent mitt romney into a forced political retirement that, according to the washington post, he is not enjoying. >> both sides seem to be digging in on a fiscal cliff deal. >> a new week brings new opportunities for gridlock. >> right now it's a stalemate. >> republicans used words like stalemate. >> is this a true stalemate? >> i would say we're nowhere. >> going nowhere. >> the path to nowhere. >> you're doing it wrong. >> just 28 days left. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> it's not a good sign. >> republicans were flabbergasted. >> flabbergasted. >> you can't be serious. >> going nowhere just 28 days left. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his caucus? >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has be
mitt romney to lunch at the white house today didn't help. >>> congress has just ten legislative days before going off a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washi
] >> stephanie: somebody in the republican party pointed out that mitt romney won white women. so that's proof that they don't have a chick problem. >> is that true? >> stephanie: yeah six points worse among -- what do you call -- romney's performance among white women was six points worse than among white men. but he technically did win white women. >> not this white woman. not the white woman i speak with. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: yes, the president won women by double digits. but, yes, the white women apparently love that mittens. >> hum. >> stephanie: here she is in the current news jacki schechner. >> good morning, everybody. the president and vice president are scheduled to meet with state governors at the white house today just after 10:00 am eastern to talk about ways to balance the budget then at 12:30 the president's first post-election interrue. anticipate plenty of discussion about the counteroffer on the fiscal cliff. and the gop would avoid toxin creases for everyone including the 1%. and endorse $1.4 trillion in cuts and adjustments to medicare, social securi
position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john bain ser doing right now, and he lost. how about some respect for the electorate? how about seeing what the 2012 presidential debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, ice not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thought here. the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top 2% would be gone, but he forgets
. >> self-deportation. i'm not a trying to pickig that was before mitt romney even got the nomination, that moment n the governor lost the latino vote and the presidential election to win the gaap primaries he was tougher on illegal immigrants than any of his rivals, rejecting the dream act supported by governor perry, mocking as an necessary city speaker gingrich's call for mercy for those who have been here ten years or more. the results were stunning stunnd decisive. barack obama won 79% of the latino vote. more than enough to give him almost every swing state and the popular vote. and with the latino population growing faster than any other, the future looks bleak for the g.o.p. either the republicans begin to attract more hispanics or latinos or they're headed the way of the do-do; so some republicans in the senate have proposed what they call the achieve act. the watered-down version of the dream act. and in the house of representatives, on friday, runs actually passed what they call the stem act, which increases the number of certain visas. will those moves make a difference am
's a combination of the ryan budget, and what romney -- governor romney began to say toward the end of the election when he was worried a they were being tabbed as the party of the very wealthy, so he said well, we won't lower taxes on the very wealthy, because we'll get ahold of loop holds and deductions but they never said what they were and they continue to evade. but mainly they evade the basic question, are we going to keep the high income tax breaks or are we not? and if they insist on keeping them, they are going to take themselves and the country over the cliff. >> stephanie: uh-huh. this is -- we have been saying -- i don't think this is fooling anybody. they keep putting forth something that looks like the appearance of compromise and it isn't. why does there seem to be no realization of the fact that they lost on this budget issue on their side? >> i think it is because they are in denial. they keep on saying that there was no real election result; that we had a dead lock. >> stephanie: right. and that isn't true. >> stephanie: that's right. well
, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree. as would be president mitt romney tells it, i will lead us out of this dt and s snding inferno. >> oh, come on. really? >> stephanie: how did that go for you, mittens? government -- so here's the graph. government spend -- would you like the fun facts? >> government spending under obama including his stimulus bill is rising at 1.4% annualized pace slower than at any time in four years. >> how outrageous. >> stephanie: look. >> that's very visual. >> stephanie: everybody look. >> see the chart? >> those poor radio people. >> stephanie: as compared to reagan 8.7%. reagan '86-'89. bush two the second term i'm talking about 8.1%. 1.4% is where obama is. >> spending, spend spend! >> outrageous! >> i won't spend that. boehner is flabbergasted. i'm really flabbergasted! >> stephanie: did you see mitch mcconnell said he burst out laughing at the president's proposal. somebody sent me a picture of a galapagos turtle. >> i'll have the last laugh. i'l
the romney tattoo will soon fade into nothing but a cheeky memory, eric's place on the "ridiculist," that i promise you, is permanent. that does it for us. see you again one hour from now. erin burnett's "outfront" starts now. >>> 28 days away, what does it take for a deal? and the use of chemical weapons will bring an immediate reaction from the community. our panel, we'll ask them if the united states will go to war. and a new movie about osama bin laden sparks oscar buzz and outrate. let's go "outfront." >>> good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, let there be light. finally, some bulbs turned on in washington this evening. well, on the congressional christmas tree, that is. pretty beautiful. lights, love, camaraderie, song. but while our lawmakers took some time to celebrate together, they still weren't showing any spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's p
to reduce the deficit, 63% said no. 86% of the ads run for obama were personal attacks on romney. he won a stunning mandate to not be romney. he did not run on the basis he was going to do massive new spending and the kind of tax increases, $1.6 trillion that he's now talking about. and at the same time that obama was elected president, the republican house, which had twice voted for a real budget -- remember, the president's budget he claims he has a mandate for was put up before the house and the democrats all voted against it. in the senate, the democrats didn't want to have anything to do with it. it's a little hard to argue, he had a mandate for something the rest of his party ran away from. >> well -- >> did not run ads on those issues. >> and, of course, it was a bit more complicated than that. but to your point about the exit polls, it's true, most people said that they didn't want tax increases to solve the deficit. what they said -- the majority, was they wanted both balanced. they wanted cuts and tax increases. which is what both john boehner and the president -- in very strid
. it's your fault. when mitt romney said the 47% comment and when he was recovered on that finance call after losing the election saying that, you know, obama will be giving out presents to people and you had some serious people in the room and say mitt romney is wrong. he shouldn't be saying this. >> that's not how we feel they certainly govern like they feel that way. you can listen to talk shows and hear anybody underscore what mitt romney's sentiment was but as far as congress was, republicans gone like mitt romney talks. >> yeah. >> they have no qualms making it clear that they believe that they are a much of moochers out there and that they shouldn't be helping anybody. >> we know they don't care about the middle class. yesterday, on the floor of the united states senate, they also proved they don't care about the disabled people. here is bob dole a man i love a general american war hero. he is very funny, a wicked sense of humor and he was the author of the americans for disabilities act. >> tom harkin. >> back in 1990. george h.w. bush signed it
to the white house hat must have been an extraordinary moment. mitt romney and obama get together. for me it's awkward that they had the meeting at the white house. was that mean? shouldn't they have don't at a tgif. neutral ground? not to rub his nose in the place that he wanted to live. >> reporter: given romney's finances, -- he came here, he left without talking to reporters. we are digging for details on how it went. the white house insists they were trying to be open and courteous to mitt romney. show the peaceful transfer -- there is no violence. the race was hard fought. mr. obama won, in romney moves on and mr. romney also sat down with another important man in all this. fall ryan his running-mate. that would be interesting to be a fly on the wall. megyn: there are funny lines on twitter about that meeting and what should have been served at the meeting. thank you, sir. a white house social media effort to tip the public opinion in its favor on these fiscal cliff negotiations is starting to get controversial. the president urging americans to go to twitter and tweet my2k. do you kno
, how did he write this so fast "why romney lost. "looking forward, not backward. the republican dangers, there may be an accelerating economy. you can't simply say obama is bad. you have to have an affirmative message. it has to be economically inclusive. that means, i think, moving away from the myth of the heroic entrepreneur as the main hero and also the main victim of the american economy and understand that the people who have been leading big companies are actually doing pretty well. the harm has been done to the american middle which is experiencing slow growth. what we need to see above all are control of health care costs. that's the key to getting middle incomes rising again. >> stephen, talk to me about this. the fact is we do think the entrepreneur as heroic in the u.s. how do you square that circle? >> i think the backbone is the entrepreneur. it's the person who sets out the shingle and employs work eers. i think republicans have to make this connection with workers that, you know, if you hurt the businesses, you are hurting jobs. i don't think they've done a good job of d
in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. this december, remember -- m] you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a month. open enrollment ends december 7th. so call today or visit your local walgreens. ends decemb
obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. [ man ] in hong kong, on my way to the board meeting... anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] b
to rally around the right candidate that they wanted to for president, mitt romney would be worried about this coming up in the next presidential term. >> look, the fact that boehner's been criticized by conservative organizations and other republicans show that he's seriously considering negotiating the white house and we saw the results of the election, we're willing to concede their increases in revenue but to the point of my colleague, we are not in parliamentary democracy but we're not in a monarchy either. we're in a constitutional democracy and the mandate of the people was for both parties to work together. republicans are saying, we're willing to increase revenue. what is the person willing to give up? >> membership friend, ty friend on this alone. you guys lost. we need to rally around the concept that you must compromise in washington in order to -- you guys didn't come up with any tax relief and your party's base is acting crazy. that is the problem. you don't realize it takes more than your party's outliers. >> where is the sensible center on this? >> listening to both of the
're just going to throw out the deduction and not specify it, that would be the only legacy of mitt romney that we're talking about right now. we all joked about how he was totally uninfluential in this party. this has stuck. didn't work for romney. people were not interested in that. i don't really see what interest the white house has in making a deal. so far all the public polling makes it look like, again, this could change, but all the public polling makes it look if we go over the cliff the republicans will be blamed and they're the ones being recalcitrant and the white house can make a deal on their terms because they won. >> in terms of who's going to get blamed if we go over the cliff, ari, is there a risk as the republicans put forth a plan f you're john public, does that seem like a reasonable offer? i don't know. they're playing ball. do the democrats risk getting blamed if we go over the fiscal cliff now that there is a counter offer from the gop? >> that's the interesting question. connects with what ezra was talking about. do the actual sacrifices happen in your backyard and
they didn't make it. ted cruz says that the real problem with mitt romney's disastrous 47% quote was that it accepted the notion that some people are rich. some people are poor. and that's how the pie looks. and then you redistribute among them. he's saying no. true conservatism -- and we've heard joe say this around the table -- >> absolutely. >> -- true conservatism means that everybody can do anything and that the republican party's missed that message. that's what they need to turn to. >> it's going to be interesting to see how they do that and if ted cruz becomes sort of the force in this. what do you think? what's your gut, mike? >> he's already offering himself -- he clearly wants to play that role. >> yeah. >> he said last night, i'm something that's not supposed to exist, a hispanic republican. so ted cruz is one of the most interesting parts of this reinvention of the republican party. another part of it, the new emphasis on immigration. >> yes. >> the effort to reach hispanics. we have a story up today saying that already republicans are going to pieces over this. that
with mitt romney. a mid-week summit with the business leaders that supported romney. the ceos of marriott, at&t and state farm. of course, meeting, after meeting, after meeting with speaker, john boehner and republican leaders. with this strategy, president obama keeps his opponents from being able to claim that he is unreasonable or stone walling. heck, i have y'all over every day, he can claim. it also ensures that they know where he stands, in the oval office. return there for another four years by the american people. which is why the president has been reminding his coalition of this. >> don't ever take sides against anyone against the family again. >> president obama is letting his electoral coalition or his family know that now is the time to hang together totally, rather than allow republicans to pick you have vulnerable, nervous members of the democratic coalition, he is getting the family in line. he reached out to voters to do their part to continue campaign. calling on all americans to raise awareness about the fiscal cliff, to get in touch with their congressmen to tweet my2k
, we're just talk being revenues. when mitt romney was talking about revenues, he was talking about growing the economy and putting people back to work. we're merely talking about spreading the wealth around this country. it's been shown in history, sean, it doesn't work. >> sean: the attitude we see here is unprecedented in american history in terms of on an annual basis, trillion dollars deficits, we'll leave our kids worse off than we found the country. i call it fiscal selfishness. where is the morality of not spending more than you take in and robbing from your kids? >> that's been a case for a long time. and i fault a lot of republicans for this. certainly democrats have put these things on steroids in terms of spending. but enough republicans over decades have gone down the road of big government, big spending big entitlements, compassionate conservism. >> senator, you follow the economy every day. before the election,, is going o be over 9%. >> uh-huh. >> sean: they went back in a recession, you got other countries falling into a recession, we have anemic growth at best. is
that was a vote winner, he wouldn't have put 86% of his tv ads. he ran a romney is a bad person campaign not look at how wonderful i have gotten the american economy. >> if it is on c-span >> you say here's what we want to do. we just elected a house which ran on the ryan plan. >> you are saying these are the reforms that we want. >> the president sits there and says what, because he hasn't put anything on the table that passes the lap test, hasn't put spending restraint. crazy democratic leadership, which for two years kept all the democratic senators from voting on anything. i want them to vote on something between now and 2014 because then they aren't coming back. >> if you are john boehner, speaker boehner, your proposal is -- your bright line is what? >> first of all, you want to have this conversation in public and whatever happens, you want it online. that gives you the moral high ground and allows the american people to focus on this. >> wait, what you are saying right there is a path to a deal, you're not saying they should go over a political cliff. you're saying they should fight for t
. he was a key romney adviser during the campaign. diane swonk is also with us, she's the chief economist from a financial company. the deduction is getting about $10 billion more expensive every year. but this is money in people's pockets. christine does outline that low income people don't nearly get the benefit of this that high income people do or high value homeowners do. but it is money in the economy. so what's the danger of pulling it out? what does it do to the economy or the housing industry? at this stage of the game, it is very little. i wouldn't eliminate it entirely. this is a major transition. but i do think it needs to be major scaled back so that most americans with benefit from it. but we really would rather have high income americans investing in our future, investment markets and equity markets, things like that rather than in their homes. if they can build multimillion dollar homes, you don't need a million dollar deduction. i don't think that's the best use of government policy. so there are a lot of arguments on both sides of the issue. but i think for the
and exposing hidden camera video of mitt romney saying 47% of voters see themselves as victims. >> the turning point was when our grandson revealed that the governor had talked about 47%, i think that was a real turning point. and james has made us all very proud. he's the most famous carter now. and he was born in the white house. when we had only been there for a month. he lived four years in the white house. so he's, was very eager to help. probably was the single-most important factor in the whole election. was what james did reveal. >> the 39th president also has predictions for washington. >> both republicans and democrats learned a lot from this election. and i think one of the things they learned is that the people want them to cooperate whenever possible. they, republicans will come around on the deficit, because of the economic you know, cliff that we're hanging over. i think they'll do that. i don't think there's any doubt that the republicans will cooperate on immigration reform. they've learned how important the hispanic vote is and african-american vote. >> having gotten politics
as part of medicare, we had a presidential campaign, and here was mitt romney's ad, targeting the president. this is what he did. >> you paid into medicare for years. every paycheck. now when you need it, obama has cut $716 billion from medicare. >> now, those were not benefit cuts. those were provider payments. so if you're the president, why specify what cuts you're going to make in medicare if that's the treatment that republicans will give you? >> well, until we get to entitlements, we're really not having a serious discussion. david, all of us know what the options are. they are not going to get more narrow as -- i mean, they are going to get more narrow as time goes on and more draconian. what you're talking about is where we solve this fiscal cliff by creating another fiscal cliff down the road is totally immature. it lacks political courage. we know what needs to be done, and let's get it done over the next three weeks. the options are not going to change. >> would you call on your party not to mount that sort of opposition to the president if he specifies how he's goi
. and allison schwartz me as well. mitt romney licking his wounds over an election loss he thought would never happen. hats next for him and why he's not interested in hoping to remake the republican party. plus a bittersweet victory for the kansas city chiefs as the team and its fans try to come to grips with the senseless tragedy, what drove jovan belcher to kill his girlfriend and then himself. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. let's fix dinner. now is a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a plan that really meets your needs and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they cover some of what medicare doesn't
. and i was surprised in the campaign that neither the president nor mitt romney actually took that as sort of a bull whip to kind of shape the argument. >> talking like that, that's why you're referred to as former republican national chairman. >> funny. >> there's an interesting, you know, i don't know, third rail option -- i don't think it will come to this -- but there's sort of a -- let's say we go over the cliff. the republicans, you know, do not -- they hold firm. we go over the cliff. then we'll no doubt reinstate the tax cuts on the middle class. so then they could have political cover for actually taking credit for the tax cuts. even though -- of course, we don't want it to come to that. that would destroy the markets, i think. >> oh, yeah. >> do you have any idea of how many times willie and i have taken this particular show over the cliff? >> we did it about 6:01 this morning. lay on the gas. by the way, "the wall street journal" is calling for republicans to call the president's bluff on. we'll get into that later. >>> coming up, in ordford ceo a mulally. also nbc
disparity. things like that. mitt romney's tax rate. those come up in that argument. listen, it may be certainly they wanted to do it before the end of the year. this having been a leverage buyout, they like to keep their leverage ratio pretty high. 4.5 times. then they generate cash flow and pay it down and go to capital markets and borrow another billion dollars and they pay two more dollars to their holders who continue to be some of the lbo firms that took it private. >> that's a game plan that works. >> it has worked well. >> rates are so low. why doesn't everybody do that? >> works well. as a former fully owned by private equity they are more comfortable with leverage than others are. >> a level of comfort that i find to be -- they are insensitive to the economy and they're a winner in obama care. 2014 begins and i'm picking numbers up. hca. even with this leverage. raising numbers, hca, 2014. i'm doing that right now. cramer firm is taking up numbers. >> you did it in your head. >> i did. i'm going to ask the sales force to go out with it and i think he can get the stock movi
this year, worked with mitt romney, on with us, author of "unintended consequences," and you say if you're going to raise taxes, you have to get something back which is what? >> make any tax increase, rolling back bush tax cuts, for example, conditional upon reaching agreement that stop the debt growing as a percent of gdp. they can't reach the agreement by the end of the year so as a part of this, agree to retroactively roll back bush tax cuts if they reach agreements. >> the democrats thought they did enough deficit cutting. >> not even close. >> right. >> 0%, you need $900 billion of tax increases or spending cuts to stop debt growing as a percent of gdp. on the $900 billion you need, you need more than that. the president, who wants to support his spending, needs enormous tax increases, and public opinion says he can blame tax increases on republicans if he's over the cliff so his threat to go over the cliff, i think, is very credible, and i think the republicans are in a very procare yows negotiating position because if they are blamed for this, they'll loss the house, and if they
-pays in cancer screenings, no co-pays for deductibles. we're closing the doughnut hole. under the romney plan, because they're paying providers more, your co-pay part of that provider fee is more, so your co-pay and the deductible will be more. those are for people over 55. people under medicare would pay more under the alternative than they are paying today. if you're under 55, you got your $500 a month every month trying to make your health care. because the thing is, if medicare is saving money and the health care costs do not go down, then somebody's got to pay the difference. adding insult to injury to that you have corporate profits, dividends and commissions and everything else being stipended off. so you not only have to pay the health care costs. you have to pay enough to cover the corporate profits. and so that's where senior citizens would be paying $500, $600 a year more. ms. moore: mr. scott, let me see if i got this straight. under the affordable care act, we're asking that instead of having seniors pay more, you know, find themselves in the doughnut hole, that we ask pharmaceut
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